Wow!! Are we so needful that if no one acknowledges our vintage steel ride we go into a funk...? When I'm out on my Masi or Rex or Mikkelson or Wojcik I could give a rat's ass if anyone remarks on my ride. *I'm* enjoying it, and that's plenty for me!
Nor Meyer, serene in Mt. Vernon, IA
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> 1. Re: Snubbed on a Sunday Afternoon. (ternst)
> 2. San Diego Custom Bike Show Group Rides and Dinner
> (sterling@tns.net)
> 3. Re: Lack of Cycling courtesy (Bob Freitas)
> 4. Campi Shift Cable Clip (John Hurley)
> 5. Re: Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon (monkeyhateclean@mac.com)
> 6. Re: (CR) My first frame: Built up pics (Cino1947@aol.com)
> 7. Re: Campi Shift Cable Clip (billydavid13@comcast.net)
> 8. Re: Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon (sbryne@comcast.net)
> 9. Houston (Monson) we have a problem (velocipede@optimum.net)
> 10. Re: Snubbed on a Sunday Afternoon. (kohl57@starpower.net)
> 11. Re: Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon (Bob Chmara)
> 12. Re: French vs. Italian vs. English ones . . .
> (emeneff@earthlink.net)
> 13. Re: Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon (Thomas Adams)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:55:43 -0700
> From: ternst <ternst1@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday Afternoon.
> To: <billydavid13@comcast.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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> Remenber:
> Masi backwards = isaM = is a Masi
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates
> CA USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <billydavid13@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday Afternoon.
>
>
> > Hi all. Those of us on the CR list are a self selected group, united,
> > despite controversies and differing sensibilities, by an appreciation
> [one
> > might say love] for the bicycle. Not everyone has this or can even aquire
> > it; philistines abound. But occasionally you'll get the appreciative
> "cool
> > bike" from a young fixed gear type who knows little of the history or
> > traditions we are so passionate about. That's enough to remind us that
> > what we value is real and transcends age and experience. The bicycle is
> > the most humane of machines and our own humanity is enhanced by our close
> > association w/ it. I haven't seen the Masi in question, but i'm guessing
> > it's way cool. Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL; USA.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:08:40 -0400
> From: "sterling@tns.net" <sterling@tns.net>
> Subject: [CR] San Diego Custom Bike Show Group Rides and Dinner
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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> For those of you that are coming out to San Diego for the custom Bike show
> .
> There are a couple of rides scheduled. The first ride will take place on
>
> Thursday April 2nd. We will meet at Balboa Park in front of the Auto Mus
> eum
> at 2pm and go for a ride to Coronado Island. We will return from Coronad
> o
> on the Ferry. This is a flat and level 25-mile ride that will take 3 hou
> rs
> to complete with the Ferry ride back.
> At 6pm we'll gather at Velo Cult Vintage Bike Shop in South Park for a
> look at the bikes, then walk to a local restaurant for dinner at 7pm. (V
> elo
> Cult) Neighborhood: South Park 2220 Fern St (between 30th St & Ivy St) San
>
> Diego, CA 92104 (619) 819-8569.
> Sunday morning we will meet in front of the Town and Country Hotel Check
> in Office at 8am. We will ride to the Point Loma Light House. This rid
> e
> will last about 2 hours so you will have plenty of time to see the Sunday
> show. Sunday's ride is 25 miles and has some minor hills along the way.
>
> If you have any questions, please email me off list.
> Thank you,
> Sterling Peters
> San Diego
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:18:09 -0700
> From: Bob Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Lack of Cycling courtesy
> To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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>
> I see a bigger issue here and that is lack of Cycling
> courtesy. Certainly in years past there were fewer of us out on the road
> (how many of us have ridden across the road to greet a cyclist?time
> frame was long ago when lightweight bikes were really rare)
> Modern Cyclists hardly ever respond to the nod of the head
> or wave anymore. I belong to a team with national scope as well as a
> local group and find even my fellow ''brothers'' dont take the time to
> wave. I understand if you are on a fast downhill or passing a huge group
> going in the opposite direction its one thing.
> In years past it was common to point out bad dogs or
> detours or rough road ahead. Today it seems they are to intent on their
> own thoughts or technical accoutrement's.
>
> BOB FREITAS
> riding the old roads this AM in MILL VALLEY, CA USA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:23:54 -0500
> From: John Hurley <JHurley@jdabrams.com>
> Subject: [CR] Campi Shift Cable Clip
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4ECDB771@Exchange-SVR>
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> Does anyone have a photo of the Campagnolo Downtube Shift Cable Clip
> (626/A) installed? I'm wondering how these actually work. The long
> cable guide on the left doesn't look like it curves upward sharply
> enough to send the cable up to the front derailleur. Also, there
> appears to be a secondary, smaller, guide on the left side. What would
> this be for?
>
> John Hurley
> Austin, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:26:34 -0700
> From: <monkeyhateclean@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon
> To: "[CR]" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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>
> i'd like to take it one step further than acknowledging a "classic"
> frame.
>
> i live in los angeles, a city dominated by the automobile.
>
> i have spent time volunteering in the bicycle community, and am proud
>
> to say that i have helped a number of friends make the switch from car
>
> to bike... even though i still own a car for work purposes. :(
>
> much to my joy, in recent years the bicycle population (while still
> dwarfed by that of cars) has swelled in numbers. bikes new and old are
>
> everywhere, from high performance racers, to kids on fixies, to
> recreational weekend riders, to the utilitarian commuters, and of
> course those with a special eye for the recycling and restoration of
> classic frames.
>
> i happen to cross the lines, in that i own and ride all of the afore
> mentioned. call me a bike whore... i'm ok with it. lol
>
> when i see someone who is on a bike, no matter the type, and i know
> they are proud of it, i make special effort to acknowledge them and
> their bike. even if it's a frame or type of bike i'm not particularly
>
> fond of.
>
> marcus, pay this gentleman's inability to reciprocate the courtesy you
>
> extended no mind. But rather, take pride in the fact that you were
> able to make his day a little better, and the cycling community as a
> whole. you were his support group. we are yours.
>
> cheers!
> jaik freeman
> los angeles, ca.
>
> ?Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the
>
> future of the human race.? H. G. Wells
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2009, at 8:54 AM, marcus.e.helman@gm.com wrote:
>
> > I went out Sunday with some teammates for the Make-A-Wish ride. As is
> > usual in such a case, mine was the oldest bike, the only steel bike,
>
> > the
> > only european bike, the bike with the fewest speeds, the only bike
> > with
> > sew-ups, the only bike with toeclips. You get the idea.
> >
> > This was the first long ride of the year. It had been billed as a
> > 30-35
> > miler, but we rode 47 according to my friend's computer. It was
> > nice in
> > the sun, but when the sun went behind a cloud, and the wind picked
> > up as
> > it is wont to do here in Michigan, it felt pretty chilly.
> >
> > I was pleased to be neither the oldest, nor the slowest rider. I was
> > riding my 1974 Italian Masi Gran Criterium, and it felt great.
> > Psychological or not, I like Italian bikes. I don't claim to be a
> > particularly skilled rider, but I felt like I was descending better
>
> > than
> > my teammates, not, I think, due to higher overall mass; what I gave
>
> > away
> > in bike weight I made back in rider weight. I was also able to climb
> > better. Yes we do have hills in Michigan. Some of it was
> > shifting. My
> > teammates often seemed to select a too-low gear on the hills, making
>
> > it
> > easy to pass. I led as much as I could, and was thanked for it.
> > Certainly
> > a boost to the ego.
> >
> > At one point the front group stopped to let the others catch up, and
>
> > while
> > were standing there a man rode up in the opposite direction on an
> > Assenmacher. He stopped, and we talked for a minute. I said nice
> > bike,
> > and he said thanks, it's an old one. He said that it was getting
> > hard to
> > find parts for it. For evidence he pointed to the Weinmann hood on a
> > Campy lever that was held together by masking tape. I suggested he
>
> > look
> > into the CR list. He said thanks and rode off. No mention of my
> > bike,
> > which to me would have been the obvious and courteous thing since we
>
> > were
> > discussing old bikes. Maybe he was anti-Masi. I am told such
> > people do
> > exist. The other thing that struck me is that the people with whom
>
> > I rode
> > were not particularly interested in bikes the way we are. No
> > discussion
> > of new parts or brands, or of plans for upgrades. Maybe it was just
>
> > that
> > day. Maybe no one had a new bike, or plans for a new bike, but the
>
> > lack
> > of bike discussion was noticeable. Perhaps bikes are becoming
> > generic,
> > and thus not very interesting in and of themselves.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Marcus Helman
> > Detroit, MI
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:32:00 -0400
> From: <Cino1947@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] (CR) My first frame: Built up pics
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <c62.4579be96.36f92fa0@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Great classic bike (?randonneur). Beautiful lines and great choice of
> components.
> Hope to see it on the road in the near future.
> Josh Berger
> Bronx, NY
>
>
> In a message dated 3/23/2009 1:52:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:21:47 -0400
> From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [CR] My First Frame: Build Up Pics
> To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <COL113-W9DF1A7CF1990B8BC5302DF5920@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>
> Gang,I would like to share with The List some shots of my freshly built-u
> p first frameset. I owe a lot to the CR community for guidance, inspirat
> ion, advice, parts, paint, lugs, etc.Please have a look:
> < http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>
> Matthew Bowne
> Brooklyn, New York
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:42:19 +0000
> From: <billydavid13@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Campi Shift Cable Clip
> To: John Hurley <JHurley@jdabrams.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID:
> <
> 128184278.185061237833739281.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
> >
>
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>
> Hi John. You use both. The longer one can be gently bent for the best routi
> ng. Generally you locate this as far down toward the bb shell and back towa
> rd the seat tube as practical. You want to make sure that the r. side guide
> is above the shell so the rear cable doesn't rub against the shell. And th
> e l. side cable doesn't scrape the seat tube. I always apply a layer of gre
> ase to the unside of any clips where they contact the frame to inhibit corr
> osion. Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL; USA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hurley" <JHurley@jdabrams.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:23:54 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [CR] Campi Shift Cable Clip
>
> Does anyone have a photo of the Campagnolo Downtube Shift Cable Clip
> (626/A) installed? ?I'm wondering how these actually work. ?The l
> ong
> cable guide on the left doesn't look like it curves upward sharply
> enough to send the cable up to the front derailleur. ?Also, there
> appears to be a secondary, smaller, guide on the left side. ?What woul
> d
> this be for?
>
> John Hurley
> Austin, Texas, USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:46:25 +0000
> From: <sbryne@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID:
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> 1199094634.158831237833985406.JavaMail.root@sz0070a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
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>
> I can offer another explanation for the perceived snubbing. That is--some
> people are just not very observant and are therefore oblivious!
>
> With respect to the fixie crowd, there is an article (by me) in the current
> issue of Cycle California which may help explain this phenomenon. I
> aplogize in advance for this shameless self promotion. See link at:
> http://www.cyclecalifornia.com/
>
> Stephen Bryne
> Cool and windy today in Oakland, CA, USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:26:32 +0000
> From: <velocipede@optimum.net>
> Subject: [CR] Houston (Monson) we have a problem
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <f828ef0b139e3.49c7e268@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Just read another members posting of their successful day at Monson
> yesterday. That is strange, I seem to be in a time warp. I set my iPod Touch
> calendar according to the CR Events page for 2009 and it says clearly that
> Monson is next week the 29th. I sent a message to Peter Weigle after his
> posting saying that I hoped that he did not make the trip for nothing as I
> was sure it was the 29th.
> Hope when I go next Sunday there is a swap meet for me to. If Einstein was
> correct, I should not have a problem.
> Ray Homiski
> Elizabeth, NJ USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:28:29 -0400
> From: "kohl57@starpower.net" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday Afternoon.
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <380-220093123192829194@M2W026.mail2web.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> See if you were 1) riding a French bicycle and 2) wearing traditional
> leather cycling shoes (cleats optional) you would have both noticed and
> admired. Never fails.
>
> But seriously, I am amazed folks find cyclists in their part of the world
> unfriendly. Certainly not the case in the Washington DC area or maybe I'
> m
> hanging around with the wrong sort. Or wearing the right shoes. You ca
> n
> stop along the road to fill a water bottle and have two or more passing
> cyclists pause and ask "You OK?" And you'd be hard pressed not to get
> comments (mostly favourable!) and interest in riding something, anything
> other than the usual Trek. Just yesterday I had a nice fast descent and
> stop light to follow chat with a guy on a Pinarello when I was on my
> Berthoud. See it's that French bicycle thing working... again.
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:30:35 -0400
> From: Bob Chmara <lists@emaildrop.biz>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <6275F27D03DA4A6D86AF2B7105C8A4B0@boogie>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Marcus, I wouldn't assume he was anti-Masi. Being in Michigan,
> Assenmacher may have simply been his LBS when he bought the bike. Perhaps
> he's not a bike aficionado, but rather just a well-to-do guy who
> appreciates
> quality, and Matt sold him on a custom frame.
>
> Bob Chmara
> Southfield, Michigan, USA
>
>
> | From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
> | Subject: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon
> |
> | No mention of my bike, which to me would have been the
> | obvious and courteous thing since we were discussing old
> | bikes. Maybe he was anti-Masi.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:33:55 -0700
> From: <emeneff@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] French vs. Italian vs. English ones . . .
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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>
> Please take the following in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek manner . . .
>
> I had a French one a long time ago. She rode fine - very sweet, charming,
> almost coquetteish. Always wanting to sit in a cafe and talk about
> existenstialism and the poet Verlaine. Definitely more at home on a trip to
> the country for a romantic picnic than a city-center criterium. While not
> the most exciting one, French cyclists I've known simply shrug and with a
> wink have intimated something along the lines of "that is what ze "other"
> bike is for !" (ze velo' mistress ?). I guess like us CR list members that
> means that they like to have a number of different bikes in the stable, er,
> garage.
>
> The Italian job, whoa . . . Ba-Boom ! Talk about high-strung and emotional
> -
> there was nothing laid-back and sedate about her "handling" or "classic
> design". Maybe because this was the eighties and things had started to get
> steeper and faster ? Aesthetically much different from the Frenchy job -
> more "attention to detail" one might say. Geometry - wise the French one
> was
> more Jean Seberg ( I know she isn't French, thank you very much), the
> Italian one was more like Sophia Loren. Sigh . . . both lovely in their own
> way.
>
> The English ones I've had vary a bit. Some of them were cold and distant at
> first, maybe a reflection of the climate as much as the style of riding in
> the U.K. There were some models that were definitely hard to coax any
> interest from - I'd say that these were intended for the UK emphasis on
> long
> time-trials, so "handling" was not a real priority for those designs. I did
> have a couple of short-wheelbase machines and track/path models that were
> anything but cold and indifferent, though. Rather bawdy, earthy, almost in
> a
> Tom Jones (the novel, not the Welsh singer) sense. Some of the older
> English
> riders I knew long ago referred to bikes such as these as "oversexed", a
> term I take that translates to "lively and responsive" . . . maybe a real
> handful. English cyclists that I knew who had such a bike often appeared
> tired and worn-out. I'm guessing they rode too much and needed more rest.
> Long time-trials will tend to do that, I guess.
>
> For American bikes, well why not just refer to the mid-1960's Beach Boy's
> song "California Girl's" and use their very accurate descriptions - but
> apply them to bikes from the different U.S. regions.
>
> When repeated often enough your friends and fellow riders may start to
> believe that you actually have some sort of knowledge about the subject of
> which you are so voiciferous about. When they are not smirking, laughing,
> and rolling their eyes behind your back !
>
> Finally, I wonder about national culinary preferences and how the different
> bikes tend to ride. My French and Italian ones always seemed to have a
> slight odor of garlic and olive oil to them. The U.K. bikes had a different
> scent - more fried fish and potatoes, sometimes mushy peas. If we are going
> to refer to horribly vague, innaccurate, and dated stereotypes regarding
> bicycle design and handling, perhaps we need to also mix these variables
> into the fold ? How much has hamburgers and fast-food contributed to US
> bike
> design compared to Scottish bike design - where Haggis is a big staple of
> the diet, as I have been told.
>
> Bottom Line - after being around bikes for well over thirty years, I just
> don't believe in alleged national "traits" amongst bicycle design. I
> remember learning in college that myths and stereotypes are most useful for
> influencing and controlling the simplistic and ignorant.
>
> I'd love to see ANYONE try and gather any three (heck, even two) Italian,
> or
> French, or English, (or WHATEVER nationality) framebuilders together and
> see
> if they could get them to agree on much of ANYTHING regarding design or
> construction. What a laugh !
>
> Like trying to herd cats !
>
> For an even bigger laugh ask those builders about some of the designs they
> built twenty or thirty years ago. Framebuilders can get easily annoyed by
> those with long memories. Bike design goes through cycles and is highly
> influenced by fashion swings just as much as any other aspect of the bike
> world. What seemed completely "rational" and obvious in one era looks
> mighty
> foolish, dated, and ill-conceived just ten years later. The nebulous
> "classic bike design" is MUCH more fluid than is often realized. "Design"
> oftentimes just follows whatever and wherever the market seems to be
> moving.
> And it very rarely EVER (IMHO) has roots in some sort of nationalistic
> outlook or experience, other than everyone tends to copy a little from
> those
> they learned from.
>
> Like people, it is best to speak of a specific bicycle and it's measures,
> and your subjective feelings about its specific behaviors, instead of
> trying
> to imply that similiar bikes from a geographic region will display those
> same traits, especially over a period of time.
>
> Having said that, I think I'll take the English "Path" design, Guv'nor.
> I'll die a tired but happy rider, with a smile on his face <G>
>
> Wink-wink-nudge-nudge,
> Mike Fabian
> San Francisco, CA, USA
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49:52 -0700
> From: Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Snubbed on a Sunday afternoon
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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>
> Dear Pat & List:
> ?
> Or maybe Herr "Assenmacher"? hoped to be the ultimate rebellious non-conf
> ormist, and seeing another lugged steel bike among the graphite and welded
> steeds ruined his self image.? "What, you mean there's a whole web site a
> nd email list dedicated to lugged steel?!? Sacre Bleu, I must find another
> way to rebel against conformity!"
> ?
> Tom Adams
> Manhattan, KS
> ?
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Pat Moffat <rocketman_531@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> As for the Assenmacher rider...maybe he just loves the bike, but never
> joined the brotherhood/sisterhood of steel.
>
> Pat Moffat
> Tempe AZ USA
> =0A=0A=0A
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