Hi, Kevin, I didn't realize you are (it sounds like) part of Woodrups. I use 700c 21 mm or 23 mm tubulars, usually with a radius of 33.7 cm to 34 cm. If the BB drop is 6.5 cm the BB height should be 27.5 cm max, and with the current 21 mm tires I measured 27.3 cm. Clearly it would be taller for bigger 27 inch wheels or bigger 700c tires.
But (do I understand correctly?) you are saying that Woodrup designed these frames this way for the US market before distributing through TSD? That's new information for me, thank you.
I do believe mine is pre TSD, since the S/N is 4514, and I thought the TSD bikes had 5 digit numbers.
Best wishes,
Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM, kevin sayles <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk>wrote:
> Hi Ken, Jerry......and other Woodrup owners
>
> With regard to what most seem to think is a hight bottom bracket height
> on their Woodrup's, perhaps I can offer some explanation............
>
> The normal bracket height for road frames was based on 10 3/4" ....and
> this was also based on sprints and tubs, which depending on exactly
> which tub was used typically meant a measurement of 13 1/2" from ground
> to centre of axle, so Ken, if your frame has a BB drop of 65mm and your
> using a wheel with 13 1/2" then yes it would have a 11" BH, then again
> you might be using a larger tyre which would make a difference, as would
> using 27 x 1 !/4" wheels.
>
> The perception of what the US customers wanted back in the 70s was based
> on 'criteruim style frames'........short, steep and with a high BB for
> cornering.........by way of a contrast, Barry Hoban always specified a
> 10 1/4" BH on the Mercier branded Woodrup's he rode.
>
> Our concept of how a touring bike should be........ this was influenced
> by 'our main dealer' in the US, 10 speed drive in Florida, I remember we
> had to stick to a certain criteria when bulding for them, basically
> they were intended for light, fast touring, probably never saw fenders
> [as you would say].
>
> Have to say, its interesting to get feedback.......even if it is many
> years later!!
> Hopefully any of you with a Woodrup will continue to enjoy
> it.......assuming you do in the first place
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Freeman
> To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net
> Cc: kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org ; Dale
> Brown
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR] What joy! (1982 Woodrup)
>
>
> My Woodrup is a 52 cm, 54.5TT, with a 6.5cm BB drop. I don't
> understand it, or really like it that much, but it is cushy. Mine is
> 1980, on topic, from the pre-10 Speed Drive era.
>
> One way or another, this is Woodrups' concept of how a touring or
> sport/touring bike should be.
>
> Ken Freeman
> Ann Arbor, MI USA
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
> <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have a Woodrup from that era, and it also has a very high BB,
> again somewhat like a track frame.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CR] What joy! (1982 Woodrup)
> > To: kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 10:56 AM
>
> > <<....74 head with 1 3/8" rake......73 seat.....
> > 16" back end. >>
> >
> > Kevin, is this a continuation of that recent "reverse
> > conversion" topic? This frame's specs surely sounds
> > like a track frame with road drop outs! TIGHT! :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Brown
> > Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kevin sayles <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk>
> > To: classic Rendezvous
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:42 am
> > Subject: [CR] What joy!.......and a Campag question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As mentioned in my earlier post this morning, I went for a
> > ride on my
> > 1982 Woodrup Super Record bike......it's the first
> > proper ride Iv'e done
> > on it since rebuilding the bike in its former glory, [for
> > some years it
> > did have off topic Ultegra 8spd!] and I'd forgotton
> > just how wonderful
> > this bike rides and handles.........forget the now peculier
> > feeling of
> > toe clips & straps, or the 'small feel' of the
> > Super Record brake
> > levers, the bike just floats along, and it feels so
> > positive.........I
> > now remember saying to myself years ago that this frame was
> > the best I'd
> > ridden, perhpaps its the geometry.......74 head with 1
> > 3/8" rake......73
> > seat..... 16" back end..............wonderful, I can
> > see myself riding
> > this bike quite a lot this Summer, even in some mid week 10
> > mile time
> > trials and if I'm going well I don't expect to be
> > 'much slower' than on
> > a modern bike!..........in fact this bike still has my
> > personal best 50
> > mile TT time credited to it [1.54.34 in 82 no tri bars etc]
> >
> > Pics of this bike are on my flickr site
> > http://www.flickr.com/
> >
> > So now for the Campag question......a mate called round
> > yesterday, and
> > when I showed him my Super Record front gear with the black
> > arms, 3
> > holes, but with the later 'Sheild logo' as seen on
> > C Record stuff he
> > reckons this is from the last generation of Super Record,
> > which may be
> > true, but he also said that the rear Super Record gear was
> > with the
> > 'concealed spring' like on a 50th aniversary gear,
> > and on the last gen
> > Nuovo Record gears. Could this be true?........has anyone
> > seen or got
> > such a Super Record rear gear, I know there were a diferent
> > style of
> > jockey wheel bolts, and some had alloy bolts rather than
> > titanium, but
> > never seen one with the concealed spring.
> >
> > Come on you Campag fans!!
> >
> > Cheers Kevin Sayles
> > Bridgwater Somerset UK [still Sunny!]
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