What does "rebranded" mean? I understand "copied," "cloned," "imitated," "made under license," et cetera. 'Rebranded" suggests Saavedra purchased Campy seatposts and stamped their own name on it, or purchased Campy's tooling after obsolescence, modified it to enable Saavedra branding, and made two-bolt seatposts that are identical to Campy's except in name stamp.
It's not just semantics, though it sounds like it. From an engineer's point of view, it's very possible to make molds for parts that will result in imitating the appearance of another part essentially perfectly, but to fail to implement all the steps and process controls that, in the original, achieved the high performance (in this case, strength and fit precision) of the original. And, was the new product tested, and how? A good imitation should be based on original processes, verification, and tooling. Improvements are acceptable, but it's easy to do it worse.
Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since Kevin's posting and the subsequent ones, I'd like to add that
> Saavedra
> also made seatposts, or "rebranded" NR Campagnolo seatposts with "Saavedra
> Competicion" engraved where the normal Campangolo engraving would be. At
> least they made one, but I do not remember on what bike mine came from, and
> mine is 25.8. It also is identical to the NR seatpost. Its proximity to
> NR ones is why I suggested it might be "rebranded."
>
> Cheers.
>
> Tom Hayes
> Chagrin Falls. Ohio USA
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:50 AM, <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > So what do we know about the Saavedra firm?
> >
> >
> >
> > I have seen rims, chain rings, now you say cranks and track frames...
> >
> > IIRC, this was (still is?) an Argentinean maker. I know EuroAsia Imports
> > had their stuff in-the-day, now it looks like Paris Sport (Mike Fraysse's
> > brand) also distributed them...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I see on cyclingnews.com, a reference to a person:
> >
> > "Señor Luciano - Mr. Saavedra is a Argentinean national who makes bicycle
> > parts and tubular tires as far I know. His e-mail:
> > cosmesaavedra@infovia.com.ar; phone/fax:54-11-4683-2152"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It is part of this thread:
> >
> >
> >
> > <<Mystery crank #2
> >
> > I have a beautifully made (and extremely light) Turbo Aerodinamica model
> > wheel which says "Da Vinci by Saavedra -- Made in Argentina" on it.
> >
> > This suggests Saavedra is (or at least was) used as a manufacturer's
> trade
> > name, in addition to its link to this famous cyclist an his shop. Perhaps
> > they made cranks as well?
> >
> > Richard Burkholder
> > Stockton NJ USA
> > Wednesday, May 21 2003
> >
> > Mystery crank #3
> >
> > Saavedra made many Campy Nuovo and Super record copy parts (cranks,
> brakes,
> > hubs, headsets, but not derailleurs), as well as some really lightweight
> > aero rims.
> >
> > Carl Sundquist
> > Saturday, May 24 2003 >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And then Speedplay's wonderful pedal history web page has this:
> >
> > << Saavedra Giorgia Competicion 1980's
> >
> > Argentina
> >
> > A nicely made clone of the Campagnolo pista pedal from Saavedra, a South
> > American bicycle component manufacturer better known for their rims and
> > headsets. >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale=2
> > 0Brown
> >
> > Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> >
> >
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> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Tom Hayes
> Chagrin Falls, Ohio
> _______________________________________________
>
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Ken Freeman
Ann Arbor, MI USA