I recently sold as some swap or other a Saavedra seat post. It had Saavedra in script on the back of the post below the seat clamp. Although it had a two bolt Campy design, to my eye it never came out of the Campy factory. Somewhat rough and marginally finished. Definitelyseemed a copy and not a rebranding of an OEM part. Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, USA
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Ken Freeman <kenfreeman096@gmail.com>wrote:
> What does "rebranded" mean? I understand "copied," "cloned," "imitated,"
> "made under license," et cetera. 'Rebranded" suggests Saavedra purchased
> Campy seatposts and stamped their own name on it, or purchased Campy's
> tooling after obsolescence, modified it to enable Saavedra branding, and
> made two-bolt seatposts that are identical to Campy's except in name stamp.
>
> It's not just semantics, though it sounds like it. From an engineer's
> point
> of view, it's very possible to make molds for parts that will result in
> imitating the appearance of another part essentially perfectly, but to fail
> to implement all the steps and process controls that, in the original,
> achieved the high performance (in this case, strength and fit precision) of
> the original. And, was the new product tested, and how? A good imitation
> should be based on original processes, verification, and tooling.
> Improvements are acceptable, but it's easy to do it worse.
>
> Ken Freeman
> Ann Arbor, MI USA
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Since Kevin's posting and the subsequent ones, I'd like to add that
> > Saavedra
> > also made seatposts, or "rebranded" NR Campagnolo seatposts with
> "Saavedra
> > Competicion" engraved where the normal Campangolo engraving would be. At
> > least they made one, but I do not remember on what bike mine came from,
> and
> > mine is 25.8. It also is identical to the NR seatpost. Its proximity
> to
> > NR ones is why I suggested it might be "rebranded."
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Tom Hayes
> > Chagrin Falls. Ohio USA
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:50 AM, <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So what do we know about the Saavedra firm?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have seen rims, chain rings, now you say cranks and track frames...
> > >
> > > IIRC, this was (still is?) an Argentinean maker. I know EuroAsia
> Imports
> > > had their stuff in-the-day, now it looks like Paris Sport (Mike
> Fraysse's
> > > brand) also distributed them...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I see on cyclingnews.com, a reference to a person:
> > >
> > > "Señor Luciano - Mr. Saavedra is a Argentinean national who makes
> bicycle
> > > parts and tubular tires as far I know. His e-mail:
> > > cosmesaavedra@infovia.com.ar; phone/fax:54-11-4683-2152"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is part of this thread:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <<Mystery crank #2
> > >
> > > I have a beautifully made (and extremely light) Turbo Aerodinamica
> model
> > > wheel which says "Da Vinci by Saavedra -- Made in Argentina" on it.
> > >
> > > This suggests Saavedra is (or at least was) used as a manufacturer's
> > trade
> > > name, in addition to its link to this famous cyclist an his shop.
> Perhaps
> > > they made cranks as well?
> > >
> > > Richard Burkholder
> > > Stockton NJ USA
> > > Wednesday, May 21 2003
> > >
> > > Mystery crank #3
> > >
> > > Saavedra made many Campy Nuovo and Super record copy parts (cranks,
> > brakes,
> > > hubs, headsets, but not derailleurs), as well as some really
> lightweight
> > > aero rims.
> > >
> > > Carl Sundquist
> > > Saturday, May 24 2003 >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And then Speedplay's wonderful pedal history web page has this:
> > >
> > > << Saavedra Giorgia Competicion 1980's
> > >
> > > Argentina
> > >
> > > A nicely made clone of the Campagnolo pista pedal from Saavedra, a
> South
> > > American bicycle component manufacturer better known for their rims and
> > > headsets. >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dale=2
> > > 0Brown
> > >
> > > Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tom Hayes
> > Chagrin Falls, Ohio
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ken Freeman
> Ann Arbor, MI USA