Re: [CR] Fancy Lugged Ron Cooper Frame on Ebay

(Example: Framebuilders:Pino Morroni)

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:26:53 -0800
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Subject: Re: [CR] Fancy Lugged Ron Cooper Frame on Ebay


Hi Bob,

Ron made me two of these fancy lugged frames in 1983. Ron stopped in my shop in Novato while visiting Larry Mersereau (Competition Cycles, his distributor) and saw a fancy lugged Columbine I was putting together. He asked me if I'd like some fancy lugged frames, I said yes and about 3 months later Larry M. walked in with one unpainted frame and two painted ones. Serial numbers 002, 003, 007. I sent 002 to Brian Baylis who originally painted it a Celedon green, but the customer didn't quite like the color so I sent it back and had Brian redo it in candy apple red. That one got a black anodized and 24k enhanced plating on a 50th anniversary group. I think the yello frame just sold on Ebay was from the same batch. Bike Odessey in Sausalito might have gotten that one. They came in in early 1984.

Paul Brown Cycle Dynamics Santa Rosa, CA

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices. (billydavid13@comcast.net) 2. Re: How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices. (kim klakow) 3. Re: NOS the TRUE value? (Al Fack) 4. RON COOPER on Ebay , a 60th Anniversary model? (Bob Freitas) 5. Re: How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices. (david)

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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:01:49 +0000 From: <billydavid13@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CR] How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices. To: Harry Schwartzman <harryschwartzman@yahoo.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <1574303527.12506661264266109164.JavaMail.root@sz0035a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

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Hi Harry. Do you have any more of those brushes available? Billy Ketchum; Chicago, IL; USA.


----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Schwartzman
To: Classic Rendezvous
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:36:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [CR] How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices.


Listers,

I hope my bike care regime lives up to the high standards of the CR list!

Generally, upon receiving a bike, no matter what the condition, I ream out all the tubes with a wire brush. At this point, I make sure that the build details of the frame are exactly as other bike collectors tell me that 'it was done'. If there is any discrepancy, I just pull the tube and braze in the correct one, in the correct way.

When sourcing parts, I generally purchase NOS parts. If the part is rare and I cannot find a NOS part I will take a lightly used part and aggressively sand the item till the NOS surface shows. Then, I feel I've managed a reasonable compromise.

I remove all non-NOS shavings and grit from the part using a brush made of the leg hairs of Cino Cinelli and the arm hairs of Brian Baylis. For really craggy parts with dark hidden corners, I use my Richard Sachshair brush, but this is a modern compromise. If the part is for a lightweight weight weenie bike I use the short hairs of Mr. Peter Weigle, but there are holes in my theories.

I will then throw the parts into a polisher filled with rock chips from the Arenburg forest to abrasively remove any non-correct grease. I then re-grease with period correct Campy grease and oil extracted from the wrapping paper of NOS in box parts. (I have a still for this made of Simplex derailleurs and Zeus parts). Nothing gets my goat more than using Teflon based lubricants, which - as we all know - is shamefully wrong and completely OT.

I will then insure that all decals are correct. If they are not correct, as other collectors tell me, I then remove all the stickers and replace them with the correct ones. This way the bike will be correct even from 2000 years away.

I also repaint the frame even if the paint is perfect, and generally detail the frame with a small vial of the blood of Coppi, Bartali and Merckx. If I am out of time, and I must confess to this sheepishly, I hasten the process by adding a dab of the blood of Tom Simpson (NOS in a vial)

At that point, my wall hangar is ready to ride. I straddle the bike in my bicycle display room, and suggestively stroke its tubes.I love having a bike to display to the off topic younger generation! ?Sometimes I have (OT) Cipollini come and rub in the proofide on the saddle with his chest hairs prior to hisown weekly waxing. I also have Tom Boonen come and make sure the lines on the bike are correct- he can typically sniff out any ?problem!.

I have found a rather unorthodox means of keeping the sheen on my tubes. ?I generally fly (OT) Cindy Whitehead (http://www.dirtragmag.com/forums//attachment.php?attachmentid=3018&stc=1&d=1142398152) in from Colorado to rub her breasts on the bike for that final 'shine'. I once tried it with Jeannie Longo, but it didn't work.

Now my wall hangar is ready.

Cheers, Harry Schwartzman Brooklyn, NY.

?? ? ? _______________________________________________

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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:36:57 +0100 From: kim klakow <Akimbo71@gmx.net> Subject: Re: [CR] How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices. To: <billydavid13@comcast.net>, <harryschwartzman@yahoo.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <20100123173657.143130@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I'd be more interested in the Cindy Whitehead Frame Shine Kit. What do you think international shipping would be, ... ?

kim


> Hi Harry. Do you have any more of those brushes available? Billy Ketchum;
> Chicago, IL; USA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Schwartzman" <harryschwartzman@yahoo.com>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:36:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [CR] How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices.
>
> Listers,
>
> I hope my bike care regime lives up to the high standards of the CR list!
>
> Generally, upon receiving a bike, no matter what the condition, I ream out
> all the tubes with a wire brush. At this point, I make sure that the build
> details of the frame are exactly as other bike collectors tell me that 'it
> was done'. If there is any discrepancy, I just pull the tube and braze in
> the correct one, in the correct way.
>
> When sourcing parts, I generally purchase NOS parts. If the part is rare
> and I cannot find a NOS part I will take a lightly used part and
> aggressively sand the item till the NOS surface shows. Then, I feel I've managed a
> reasonable compromise.
>
> I remove all non-NOS shavings and grit from the part using a brush made of
> the leg hairs of Cino Cinelli and the arm hairs of Brian Baylis. For
> really craggy parts with dark hidden corners, I use my Richard Sachshair brush,
> but this is a modern compromise. If the part is for a lightweight weight
> weenie bike I use the short hairs of Mr. Peter Weigle, but there are holes in
> my theories.
>
> I will then throw the parts into a polisher filled with rock chips from
> the Arenburg forest to abrasively remove any non-correct grease. I then
> re-grease with period correct Campy grease and oil extracted from the wrapping
> paper of NOS in box parts. (I have a still for this made of Simplex
> derailleurs and Zeus parts). Nothing gets my goat more than using Teflon based
> lubricants, which - as we all know - is shamefully wrong and completely OT.
>
> I will then insure that all decals are correct. If they are not correct,
> as other collectors tell me, I then remove all the stickers and replace them
> with the correct ones. This way the bike will be correct even from 2000
> years away.
>
> I also repaint the frame even if the paint is perfect, and generally
> detail the frame with a small vial of the blood of Coppi, Bartali and Merckx. If
> I am out of time, and I must confess to this sheepishly, I hasten the
> process by adding a dab of the blood of Tom Simpson (NOS in a vial)
>
> At that point, my wall hangar is ready to ride. I straddle the bike in my
> bicycle display room, and suggestively stroke its tubes.I love having a
> bike to display to the off topic younger generation! ?Sometimes I have (OT)
> Cipollini come and rub in the proofide on the saddle with his chest hairs
> prior to hisown weekly waxing. I also have Tom Boonen come and make sure the
> lines on the bike are correct- he can typically sniff out any ?problem!.
>
> I have found a rather unorthodox means of keeping the sheen on my tubes.
> ?I generally fly (OT) Cindy Whitehead
> (http://www.dirtragmag.com/forums//attachment.php?attachmentid=3018&stc=1&d=1142398152) in from Colorado to rub
> her breasts on the bike for that final 'shine'. I once tried it with
> Jeannie Longo, but it didn't work.
>
> Now my wall hangar is ready.
>
> Cheers,
> Harry Schwartzman
> Brooklyn, NY.
>
>
> ?? ? ?
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________

-- Kim Klakow

Diplom Grafik Designer Akimbo71@gmx.net +49172-1786481 Berlin - Germany

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Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:26:56 -0600 From: Al Fack <bicycles@charter.net> Subject: Re: [CR] NOS the TRUE value? To: John Barron <john@velostuf.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <3A069F64A90C4E7B956D4DC82BFDEC84@AlsCompaq> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

I agree with you, John. Everything about this hobby is fun, and I'm always learning new information by reading these posts. Why not live and let live. Some bikes/components are like works of art, worthy of a wall, or a ride on a warm sunny day. Plenty of my bikes get ridden a lot, and some are just fun to have around. All types of riding is fun. Some components are like jewelry, fun to look at and discuss. Finding all the original parts for a bike is fun, and rebuilding for my specific use is fun. Building and repairing in general is fun.Trading/selling bikes and components is fun, like the time I sold you that Suntour Cyclone partial gruppo you hadn't seen boxed together before, at a swap meet. Swap meets are fun. Have any of you seen Chris Kvale or someone of his frame-building caliber file lugs? That's fun. Solving bicycle mechanical problems is fun. Watching someone riding a bike I built or repaired is fun. Reading and talking about bikes is fun. It's all too much fun to be critical of how anyone else engages in this hobby. Al Fack, Mankato, Minnesota USA


----- Original Message -----
From: John Barron
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] NOS the TRUE value?



> Does anyone else get aggravated that we have members on this list who
> declare what other people should and shouldn't do with their bikes/parts?
>
> I'm going to suggest that everyone talk freely about how *they* themselves
> like to manage their bikes and parts, and accept wholly what everyone else
> does with *their* bikes and parts... It feels so much less collegial to me
> when people follow this path.
>
> I have bikes that I ride, and I have bikes that I hang on the wall, thank
> you very much. To suggest that I am somehow being delinquent in my duty
> as custodian of that bike by not riding it is, well... self-righteous. I
> feel like I do a lot for this hobby, and I hate it when I feel like I have
> defend my choices.
>
> John Barron
> Minneapolis MN USA
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________

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Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:31:24 -0800 From: Bob Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net> Subject: [CR] RON COOPER on Ebay , a 60th Anniversary model? To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <4B5B407C.7080400@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed

I looked at this early on but am confused by the Cycleart paint and claim to low milage. I dont think the paint is OE BOB FREITAS no rain in MILL VALLEY, CA USA

http://ebay.com/<blah>

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Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:05:43 -0500 From: david <viciouscycles@excite.com> Subject: Re: [CR] How I take care of my NOS bikes - best practices. To: <billydavid13@comcast.net>, <harryschwartzman@yahoo.com>, <Akimbo71@gmx.net> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <20100123140543.9032@web006.roc2.bluetie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I keep mine in unopened box's, and, like powder, I keep them dry.

Seems the term "NOS" has many meanings to as many people. I , being old fashioned, keep the meaning as New Old Stock, never; sold, used, re-pollished, re-stored, re-anything.

David Cowie Oakland Oregon USA

I have a '70's NOS peanut butter sandwich with a Cinnelli (old) logo in the mold , should it be restored, or preserved?

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