Re: [CR] Derailleur Hanger help

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:41:26 +0100
From: "Mike Kelly" <downlode@gmail.com>
To: Derek Athey <devondirect@googlemail.com>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Derailleur Hanger help


Hi Derek,

That's reassuring. I'm not so keen on bending the stays if it's avoidable. As Marcus says, if bending 10mm you would probably need to start realigning the dropouts too. I would have to find an expert in that case I think.

Best wishes, Mike Kelly London UK

On 23 April 2010 15:53, Derek Athey <devondirect@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> Thanks for the welcome.
>
> What you want to achieve is not really a problem in my view. If the rear
> drop out spacing is already 120mm, then you will only need to take it out to
> 126mm for 7/8 speed. I would suggest 7 is the best number for what you want
> to do. I wouldn't think you even need to 'cold set' it, the 'spring in the
> chain/seat stays would give you an extra 6 mm without any stressing of the
> frame or need for re-alignment checks.
>
> I've done this many times for 4/5 speed set-ups on period cycles. Each to
> their own as to correct period set-ups! As your proposed purchase has
> already been altered it doesn't really matter that much anyway. If the frame
> is what you are after that is all that matters.
>
> Regards
> Derek Athey
> Honiton, Devon UK
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Mike Kelly <downlode@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi John and Derek,
>> Many thanks for your replies! (Derek I'm new here myself - first post!)
>> It's good to know that this is possible in theory.
>> If I go for the bike and win it I will definitely follow up with you.
>> I am indeed based in the UK - London.
>>
>> I'm also told that there's 120mm between the rear drop-outs. I'm guessing
>> that if I wanted to fit a 7 or 8 speed cassette I would have to "cold-set"
>> the frame, i.e. bend the rear stays apart? Is this common practice or should
>> I really be looking for a different frame if I want to accomodate that
>> number of gears? (Sorry if this is not in the spirit of maintaining the
>> original vintage specs.)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 April 2010 12:21, Derek Athey <devondirect@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mike
>>>
>>> As a new member of the CR family, your is the first response I have made
>>> to a CR quest.
>>>
>>> The short answer to your question is yes, a gear hanger can, and often
>>> is, used for such frames. Most frames before the sixties had drop-outs
>>> without integral hangers. Even those that did, in the 1950's, were cut off
>>> as they protruded beyond the width of the outside drop-out axle measurement
>>> and didn't allow a switch from the make of gear mech matched to the drop-out
>>> maker (Simplex, Cyclo etc).
>>>
>>> I have a number of spare gear hangers depending on the make of mech you
>>> would want to use if you purchased the Poyner a slsited on eBay. These are
>>> common acquisitions at any cycle jumble in the UK if that is where you
>>> reside.
>>>
>>> Let me know if and when I can help.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Derek Athey
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Mike Kelly <downlode@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am on the hunt for a decent 531 or similar frame to build up into a
>>>> commuting road bike, and am inexperienced in bike building.
>>>> Looking at this fixie-fied Poyner bike -
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190391239088&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123
>>>> - the seller tells me that it can't be readapted into a geared bike
>>>> because
>>>> the derailleur hanger has been removed.
>>>> Would it be possible to get a new derailleur hanger ("adapter claw" in
>>>> Sheldon Brown-ese) that fitted into the axle slot?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike