Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap

(Example: Framebuilders:Norman Taylor)

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:37:23 +0000
From: <joeb-z@comcast.net>
To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
In-Reply-To: <10244.88204.qm@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap


I am going to disagree. With the three pound Ashtabula crankset and plus 30 pound weight Super Sports are just not winners. Who really wants to ride one? Sport Tourers can be had for this price. I put a lot of both these bikes together. Pull out the kickstand on Sports Tourer and you have a dreadnaught.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Whitneyville, CT


----- Original Message -----
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
To: Classic Rendezvous , David Kulcinski
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:48:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap


If it is the original Super Sport, i.e. fillet brazed CroMoly, produced up until the mid/late 70's, those have seen some renewed interest the last crouple of yeras, so I would say $150 for a clean mostly original example would be a bargain.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, David Kulcinski wrote:


> From: David Kulcinski <dkulcinski@yahoo.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap

\r?\n> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 1:38 PM

\r?\n> Is it allowed (bad form) to inquire

\r?\n> of the list about pricing for ON-TOPIC objects; i.e. is $150

\r?\n> a reasonable price for a Schwinn, Super Sport that looks

\r?\n> really clean?

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\r?\n> Thank you,

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\r?\n>

\r?\n> David Kulcinski

\r?\n> Orange, CA

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\r?\n> ________________________________

\r?\n> From: Stephen James <sj52@hotmail.com>

\r?\n> To: tom@orderandchaos.com;

\r?\n> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 2:56:49 PM

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Buying on the cheap

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\r?\n> Hi All,

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\r?\n> I bought a 1960s Frejus for $500 about 2 years ago, just

\r?\n> before I joined the CR list. The seller was moving,

\r?\n> had another Frejus (that was too small for me to ride, but

\r?\n> offered at $2500), and he even offered me some built Dura

\r?\n> Ace wheels --since the Frejus had Campies. I turned

\r?\n> down the extras, since I felt I was getting a deal. It

\r?\n> was a deal for me because I wanted to recapture a Frejus

\r?\n> from my youth. The price was secondary. I would

\r?\n> have paid more. Anyway, I did research on the bike and

\r?\n> sent it to the seller, as well.

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Anyway, after I joined this list, I got a better idea of

\r?\n> how prized these bikes were and the prices people were

\r?\n> willing to spend. I don't feel guilty about my

\r?\n> pruchase, at any rate. However, a few weeks ago, I saw

\r?\n> on ebay a Frejus (frame only, in relatively poor --imo--

\r?\n> condition) that the seller wanted $1700 for. At the

\r?\n> time, I thought it was a rip off; I almost posted on

\r?\n> it. However, was the seller right? Was he

\r?\n> following the market trend, and assigning his bike the

\r?\n> market value? Who exactly determines the value of the

\r?\n> item, except the buyer? I'm not sure if it's ethical

\r?\n> to tell a seller that he/she should raise his price.

\r?\n> Imo, third parties have no business in the

\r?\n> transaction. If someone is offering something for a

\r?\n> low price, simply offer more or what it is thought to be

\r?\n> worth. There are people who might desire an item but

\r?\n> really not have the kind of cash to buy it at market

\r?\n> price. That's often why they hit craigslist and ebay

\r?\n> in the first

\r?\n> place.

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\r?\n> Fwiw, I do agree that it would be unscrupulous to haggle

\r?\n> with a widow who's selling her husband's Confente for

\r?\n> $25. But, I think that'd be cheating on the verge of

\r?\n> theft. I couldn't say exactly where the line is.

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\r?\n> Regards,

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\r?\n> Steve James

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Bronx, NY USA