Re: [CR] Hurlow, was Women frame builders.

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From: "kevin sayles" <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk>
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:19:23 +0000
Subject: Re: [CR] Hurlow, was Women frame builders.


I'm afraid to admit that I had no idea that Pat Hanlon was in fact a women!........I always assumed Pat was short for Patrick........

Can't say Iv'e ever seen a 'Pat Hanlon' in the flesh, but I certainly remember them from my intro into the world of cycling in the late 60s....

Talking of which......my first ever lightweight was a 'Uppadine' based in my home town of Doncaster in South Yorkshire.......anyone know much about them [Hilary surely?]

cheers
Kevin Sayles
Bridgwater Somerset UK


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Subject: Re: [CR] Hurlow, was Women frame builders.



> I'm afraid I mistated, and I meant to say it was Les Ephgrave that may
> have made the Pat Hanlon that I have. The notion that Les Ephgrave built
> some of Pat Hanlon's frames came from The Classiclightweights.co.uk site,
> and was mentioned by Mick Butler. Also attributed to her marque at
> various times were Tom Board and Stan Pike. I have a Hurlow-built Condor
> too and an Ephgrave and I sometimes forget who built what. I have a Tom
> Board-built Paris TdF from the 80s also, obtained from Mick Butler. It
> was a tight little community over there in those days wasn't it! I don't
> remember who sold me the Pat Hanlon now but I think Ephgrave was mentioned
> in the context of that sale also. They are all wonderful bikes.
>
>
> Bob Freeman
> Elliott Bay Bicycles
> 2116 Western Ave
> Seattle, WA 98121
> 206-441-8144
> http://www.elliottbaybicycles.com
> http://www.davidsonbicycles.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
> To: rdf1249@aol.com; Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:30 pm
> Subject: Hurlow, was Women frame builders.
>
>
> my great friend Bob Freeman wrote: <snip>
>
> I haven't read all the posts related to this thread - Did anyone mention
> Pat Hanlon? Read about her in Classiclightweights.co.uk. I have a very
> lovely example of her work. To be fair, she employed talented workers to
> build them in her shop, much as we and many other frame shops do. I am
> told mine may have been the work of Bill Hurlow. Will post on my flickr
> site when I get some paint on it.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++,
>
> Bob, I Do Believe. Mostly. And my tongue is firmly in my cheek, since that
> may not be obvious from what I'm about to say.
>
> Still, without doubting your word about your Pat Hanlon possibly having
> been created by Bill Hurlow, thinking back on the past 8 years or so I've
> been reading CR, I'm forced to confusions by the number of bikes
> attributed to Mr. Hurlow:
>
> 1) His shadow and himself must have blessed every shop in England that
> ever saw a flame lick a lug. And stayed at each long enough to do some
> serious building for other folks' labels.
> 2) He must have been the most productive and/or long-lived builder ever to
> have built by hand. I mean, like these things are all beautiful.
> Exquisite. 99th percentile or better.
> 3) Recognizing that America and England are divided by a common language,
> maybe the term "Hurlow" in the Olde Country is just generic, refering to
> any really superb (superbe?) frameset, no matter who made it. Or when.
>
> Again, Bob, this isn't about your veracity. Your reputation is fantastic.
> And Ken Sanford (among others) has a bike that's actually labeled as a Wm.
> Hurlow. And it is gorgeous. But, Mr. Hurlow must have been making bikes
> much faster than our friend at Landshark (1/day?) to have done all the
> work attributed to him. :-)
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va
> Really.
> (anybody got a nice spare Johnny Berry lying about looking for a new home?
> That's the other extreme: superb work but really scarce in most of the
> universe. Not that I'm planning to buy one any time soon.)