My records indicate that Pat Hanlon began her career building wheels for MacLean either during WWII or close to that time. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL USA
-----Original Message----- From: kevin sayles <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk> To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; rdf1249@aol.com Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [CR] Hurlow, was Women frame builders.
I'm afraid to admit that I had no idea that Pat Hanlon was in fact a women!........I always assumed Pat was short for Patrick........
Can't say Iv'e ever seen a 'Pat Hanlon' in the flesh, but I certainly remember them from my intro into the world of cycling in the late 60s....
Talking of which......my first ever lightweight was a 'Uppadine' based in my home town of Doncaster in South Yorkshire.......anyone know much about them [Hilary surely?]
cheers Kevin Sayles Bridgwater Somerset UK
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> I'm afraid I mistated, and I meant to say it was Les Ephgrave that may > have made the Pat Hanlon that I have. The notion that Les Ephgrave built > some of Pat Hanlon's frames came from The Classiclightweights.co.uk site, > and was mentioned by Mick Butler. Also attributed to her marque at > various times were Tom Board and Stan Pike. I have a Hurlow-built Condor > too and an Ephgrave and I sometimes forget who built what. I have a Tom > Board-built Paris TdF from the 80s also, obtained from Mick Butler. It > was a tight little community over there in those days wasn't it! I don't > remember who sold me the Pat Hanlon now but I think Ephgrave was mentioned > in the context of that sale also. They are all wonderful bikes.
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> Bob Freeman
> Elliott Bay Bicycles
> 2116 Western Ave
> Seattle, WA 98121
> 206-441-8144
> http://www.elliottbaybicycles.com
> http://www.davidsonbicycles.com
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> From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
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> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:30 pm
> Subject: Hurlow, was Women frame builders.
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> my great friend Bob Freeman wrote: <snip>
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> I haven't read all the posts related to this thread - Did anyone mention > Pat Hanlon? Read about her in Classiclightweights.co.uk. I have a very > lovely example of her work. To be fair, she employed talented workers to > build them in her shop, much as we and many other frame shops do. I am > told mine may have been the work of Bill Hurlow. Will post on my flickr > site when I get some paint on it.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++,
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> Bob, I Do Believe. Mostly. And my tongue is firmly in my cheek, since that > may not be obvious from what I'm about to say.
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> Still, without doubting your word about your Pat Hanlon possibly having > been created by Bill Hurlow, thinking back on the past 8 years or so I've > been reading CR, I'm forced to confusions by the number of bikes > attributed to Mr. Hurlow:
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> 1) His shadow and himself must have blessed every shop in England that > ever saw a flame lick a lug. And stayed at each long enough to do some > serious building for other folks' labels.
> 2) He must have been the most productive and/or long-lived builder ever to > have built by hand. I mean, like these things are all beautiful. > Exquisite. 99th percentile or better.
> 3) Recognizing that America and England are divided by a common language, > maybe the term "Hurlow" in the Olde Country is just generic, refering to > any really superb (superbe?) frameset, no matter who made it. Or when.
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> Again, Bob, this isn't about your veracity. Your reputation is fantastic. > And Ken Sanford (among others) has a bike that's actually labeled as a Wm. > Hurlow. And it is gorgeous. But, Mr. Hurlow must have been making bikes > much faster than our friend at Landshark (1/day?) to have done all the > work attributed to him. :-)
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> harvey sachs
> mcLean va
> Really.
> (anybody got a nice spare Johnny Berry lying about looking for a new home? > That's the other extreme: superb work but really scarce in most of the > universe. Not that I'm planning to buy one any time soon.)