Dale, I have confidence in my ability to judge character. So here goes; I said to myself.....He's a character!
Are you heading out this way in the near future?
Chuck Hoefer Vista California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: oroboyz@aol.com To: paccoastcycles@sbcglobal.net ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [CR] Is it really a Jack Taylor?
Chuck wrote: "I have a Jack Taylor frame in (for all intents and purposes) NOS condition. "
I took pics of Chuck's bike outside his shop a number of years ago:
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
I remember doing this as I spotted the bike inside and asked if I could take it outside to take pics of it. Now these guys did not know me from Adam, I had never been there before never been seen by these folks before! I could have loaded it in a van and driven away! Pretty cool, eh?
Dale
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA
-----Original Message----- From: paccoastcycles <paccoastcycles@sbcglobal.net> To: rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; Mark Stonich <mark@bikesmithdesign.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [CR] Is it really a Jack Taylor?
Very interesting post Bruce. It is especially interesting to me because I have a Jack Taylor frame in (for all intents and purposes) NOS condition. Actually it has been ridden less than three miles by me after I put it together. I've been trying to sell the frame for 1,300.00. It is a fastback. I think that's what they call the curved tube model. It's a 22" and yellow. The dropouts are all from the same set........Campy verticles. I see it as kind of a traditional British inspired time trial bike. I set it up with TA crankset, Weinmann side pulls, TA pedals, old B-17 Swallow, etc.
I keep thinking an all original, unused JT frame/fork has to be worth as much as a refinished one.
Chuck Hoefer Vista, California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce thomson" <masi3v4me@yahoo.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>; "Mark Stonich" <mark@bikesmithdesign.com> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [CR] Is it really a Jack Taylor?
I have looked at this bike for all three seperate times re-listed. I am not certain of the model either, however there is one thing that keeps me back. Well, more than one thing, actually. If it is a JT, and I assume that it is I would be highly inclined to have it re-finished with the proper paint scheme and decals. Dont forget the box-lining and the lug highliting. Now I do have a good stash of parts on hand at home so the replacement of many of the parts would be in order. Now combine all of that with the shipping price and I would have an expensive project. If the seller could strip it down to the frame and auction it alone I would be interested again. If it goes as is then the delivery cost will be near $600.00 , refinished by a COMPETENT painter is about $450 (perhaps including the decals) , box lining and lug highlighting unknown. So for a mere $1300 you are back in the saddle, so to speak. Perhaps this is the relevant price for a Jack Taylor after all. What do you think?? Bruce
Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204 (509) 747 4314 Masi3v4me@yahoo.com rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com
--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Mark Stonich <mark@bikesmithdesign.com> wrote:
From: Mark Stonich <mark@bikesmithdesign.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Is it really a Jack Taylor? To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 3:42 PM
At 2/2/2010 10:02 PM +0000, Norris Lockley wrote: >Jack Taylor frames were very often very very attractive, beautifully >enamelled and epitomising a certain "je ne sais quoi" French something or >other. On the other hand they could be very idiosyncratic..looking as they >were ABC frames - All Bits Combined, by which I mean that not all the lugs >came from the same box or even the same series...the front drop-outs did >not >match the rear ones, the treatment of the ends of the chainstays, >seat-stays >and fork blades tips were not always matching as if one person had made the >frame and someone else had made the fork..without the two ever conferring >as >to style and finish.
My Taylor Tourist has Campag 1060 vertical dropouts at the rear and Suntour fronts. The rear canti posts are positioned for a 27" wheel, the fronts for a 700c. Serial numbers match.
The 1060 dropouts have eyelets, which I've only seen on Taylors.
>Having said all that...I have no doubt whatsoever that when that frame was >factory fresh..in its British Racing Green enamel , with its gold and red >double-box lining and the Old-English style transfers..it would be a sight >for sore eyes..a rare beauty for all its idiosyncracies.
Still isn't a bad looking bike, just "different". And losing the original finish won't keep it from being a great bike to ride. If it were smaller and I didn't already have one, I'd be bidding.
Mark Stonich;
BikeSmith Design & Fabrication
5349 Elliot Ave S. Minneapolis, Minnesota 55417 USA
Ph. (612) 824-2372 http://bikesmithdesign.com
http://mnhpva.org
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