Re: [CR] It seams so unbelievable

(Example: Production Builders:Peugeot)

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To: sbirmingham@mindspring.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:06:37 -0400
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Subject: Re: [CR] It seams so unbelievable


<<.. I sent some to the cirque a few years ago for the auction or for door prizes or whatever, but never heard if they got there- >>

Oh Steve, YES! They definitely got there and were auctioned off to happy bidders! Thanks so much! (Not sure who the heck got them though....)

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Birmingham <sbirmingham@mindspring.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [CR] It seams so unbelievable

Yes, drawn from solid material. Started as very large square billets, rolled

to rough size, made round, pierced, and drawn to diameter over several

steps. Then butted.

I've got a 531 promo film that shows nearly the entire process, as well as

some brazing action at what I think is a Raleigh plant, plus shop and race

footage.

I did a pretty crummy transfer to video from 16mm. It's a pretty big file,

maybe too big for you tube? It does fit on a DVD though, and there's a few

copies out there. I sent some to the cirque a few years ago for the auction

or for door prizes or whatever, but never heard if they got there- totally

understandable considering they'd have arrived the day before or maybe the

first day when everything would have been very busy. Anyone have one they

can post? I watch you tube, but haven't tried posting yet.

Steve Birmingham

Lowell, Massachusetts

USA

From: Amir Avitzur <walawalaoxenfree@gmail.com>

Subject: [CR] It seams so unbelievable

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Tubing drawn from solid material is considerable more expensive than

tubing drawn from rolled plate that was welded and then drawn.

It is, potentially stronger and tougher, but that depends on the

chemical composition and type of processing (esp. heat treatments)

during manufacturing.

As the bike industry was always very competitive, my guess is that

"drawn from solid stock" would not have fared well.

It is possible to make a highly reliable and lightweight tube out of

seamed stock.

If drawn enough times and processed properly, it would take a

metallurgist to discover the seams.

So, does anyone know for sure that Reynolds 531 DB tubing started out

as solid stock, or are we all guessing.

Amir Avitzur

R"G Israel

BTW: I drew tubes on a laboratory drawbench, a long time ago ...

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