If those cable guides on the headtube are original, then I think your frame is from the late 90s or 2000s. Mondonico made many Masi frames for Torelli. I'm not saying this is a Mondonico frame, but I don't think it was made in the 1980s. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL USA
-----Original Message----- From: Jon M. Crate <Jon@FAI.US> To: firstname.lastname@example.org Cc: email@example.com Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V tubes
I've posted it before. It came naked with no history and no fork. I was able to scarf up a correct fork for it and plan to paint it soon. The serial has been of little use. The engravings tell more as do the head tube shifter brazings. Here it is again Robert: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.11 003.0203.eml Be sure to check the CR archives!
Jon M. Crate Marietta, Georgia USA
-----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:38 PM To: Jon Crate Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com Subject: Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V tubes
I'm a little confused here...
You are trying to date a Masi 3V by trying to indentify tubes which probably aren't labelled? Is there no serial number in the usual suspect locations? Do
you have pictures - especially of the fork as I'm pretty sure an optional fork was available with some 90's issue bikes?
Bob Hovey's site has a great registry...serial numbers especially once into the
80s really help...
I've seen a few Masi 3Vs - mostly white and red - and I've yet to see a Reynolds 753 sticker or any tubing identifier - I'm sure some had 'em as shown in one article at Bob Hovey's site, but I have yet to see tubing stickers in person myself.
And the owner of the bikes I've seen didn't particulary care...they bought a Masi 3V period.
My impression in regards to Masi has always been you're not buying a Masi for the tubing - you are buying a Masi - particulary the 3V - for cutting edge steel craftmanship by someone who history shows knows what the hell they are doing...
If you don't have a serial number - show us some pics.
Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA
Quoting "Jon M. Crate" <Jon@FAI.US>:
> 3V tubes
> Is this the full gamut as far as 'we' can tell?
> Does anyone know how they could be differentiated?
> I ask because I am still trying to date my frame.
> Jon Crate
> Marietta GA USA
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]
> That is fine.
> From: Jon M. Crate <Jon.Crate@FAI.US>
> Thanks Lou - if you don't mind, I would like to post your answer.
> Is that ok?
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com
> <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org?> ]
> This is from the Used Bike Guide: Missing the 84-85 3V, but
> someone on the list said that Excel was still providing tubing at
> that time. I thought the super thin Excel tubing was only for
> small frames, but the other guy seems to imply his frame is large.
> >From what I can gather, Masi used a lot of different tubing sources
> for their frames, including the 3V. Lou, off-list
> 3 Volumetrica 82-83 Excel oversized
> 3 Volumetrica 87-91 Oversize Columbus
> 3 Volumetrica Team 92-94 Oversize Masi
> 3 Volumetrica 95 Reynolds 753
> 3 Volumetrica 96 Columbus Custom
> 3 V Wing 97 Aluminum