-----Original Message----- From: Joel Rice [mailto:jrice@sabelhauslaw.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:33 PM To: 'classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org' Subject: RE: Welcome to the "Classicrendezvous" mailing list
Hi: thanks for allowing me to participate ....my "quest" is to learn more about Masciarelli bicycles. I was able to purchase one here in Sacramento, California some weeks ago. The bike I purchased is a Columbus tubing framed bike with A mixture of Italian parts (Campagnolo, Saccon, Italmanubri and Galli) and I would like to find out if anyone on the CR List knows anything about the (non-carbon) versions of this bike. I found a site (in Italy) for Masciarelli and contacted it, but was given a very terse (but polite) response that they now only produce "carbon" bikes. I am afraid my Italian is as weak as their English, so my quest has ended there. I have also tried the obvious with EBAY, Craigslist and other bike "vintage" sales forums and have not found any Masciarelli for sale (or even mentioned).
Oh....as a new member, I have the Masciarelli which I am using as a daily commuter to work and back and I have a Peugeot PX-10 (I think) ....The Peugeot has "531" tubing and Galli /Stronglight /Ambrosio/ Superbe parts and has the name "Super Competition" on the frame, although I am not sure of the PX -10 designation, but have seen that mentioned in other sites with respect to Peugeot. I also have a Specialized, which is not "on topic" as it is not a classic. I bought it before I realized how much I like the ride of the older frames and have seriously considered trading it for another classic bike.
Joel Rice Sacramento, California USA
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:15 PM To: jrice@sabelhauslaw.com Subject: Welcome to the "Classicrendezvous" mailing list
Welcome to the Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org mailing list! PLEASE READ THESE RULES! PLEASE READ THESE RULES! The Classic Rendezvous e-mail list rules are different from other web forums and must be followed by all members. By participating in the list each member agrees to be bound by the all rules and those who do not will simply be removed from the list. This forum was created for the exchange of information and experiences relating to classic lightweight bikes and extends invitations to like-minded enthusiasts. Please note that this list is privately owned; it is not a "public" entity where democratic rule might apply. This forum should be viewed as "a group of friends who have been invited into the list owner's garage to talk about vintage lightweight bikes" and the invitees should behave as guests. Revised June 12, 2010
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16. While the CR focus is on the beginning of the twentieth century to 1983, a few contemporary, classically made small workshop bikes are considered on- topic* here These are generally referred to as "KOF" (see # 2 above). Those welded, injection molded, or glued modern wonders belong in some other mail list. Ditto for mountain bikes, "middle weights", BMX, recumbents, and balloon-tired bikes. Those bikes have merit, but they do not belong on the Classic Rendezvous. Ditto for components that are post- 1983 or those which are harbingers of a new, aesthetically "modern" era (like cycle computers, clipless pedals, index shifting, etc.) If in doubt of the appropriateness of your intended topic, please ask the web master first.
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