Kurt,
I would agree with your assessment that "...the lugs on the PY (are) quite variable" only with respect to, or as a function of, time - which is to say that they varied over the years of production, but not within any given year of production. However, speaking to perhaps larger issues begged by your posting, I also ought publicly acknowledge that my uncharacteristically pithy pronouncements with respect to the particular purported PY were at the time based upon but a cursory gander and that they were typed in great haste as I sought to skedaddle out the door in order to retrieve my own PY-10 CP after its having recently been completely refurbished and repainted so as to affect a 1977 Peugeot-Esso-Michelin team bike by the fine folks at Elliot Bay Cycles in Seattle (...who did a GREAT job of following through on every excruciating detail and overly exacting request I placed upon them - pictures forthcoming). Had I taken the time to give the whole "it's raining PY-10's" matter a bit more attention at the time, I believe that I would have been better served to have stated that the finish filing work on the lugs in evidence on the bike offered in eBay auction 160551544380 is not typical of (...i.e. substandard in comparison to) that found on genuine PY-10 examples from that same era ... AND ... that said bike's bottom bracket shell (...yes, it is a type of lug, but a very specific one) is inconsistent with what was used on PY-10 bicycles of similar vintage.
I apologize for any confusion that may have resulted from my hasty review....
Robert "Roman eyes and Russian fingers" Broderick
...the "Chronically Cloudy Clime" of Oregon
Portland, USA
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Robert, you mentioned the lugs being wrong on the third auction example. The fork crown is obviously incorrect, but aren't the lugs on the PY quite variable? I own a '79 PY10 with long point lugs (pretty sure they're Bocamas) that don't look anything like the more common short-points.
Kurt Kaminer
Miami, Florida USA
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Kurt,
I would agree with your assessment that "...the lugs on the PY (are) =
quite variable" only with respect to, or as a function of, time - whic=
h is to say that they varied over the years of production, but not within a=
ny given year of production. However, speaking to perhaps larger issu=
es begged by your posting, I also ought publicly acknowledge that my unchar=
acteristically pithy pronouncements with respect to the particular purporte=
d PY were at the time based upon but a cursory gander and that they were ty=
ped in great haste as I sought to skedaddle out the door in order to retrie=
ve my own PY-10 CP after its having recently been completely refurbished an=
d repainted so as to affect a 1977 Peugeot-Esso-Michelin team bike by the f=
ine folks at Elliot Bay Cycles in Seattle (...who did a GREAT job of follow=
ing through on every excruciating detail and overly exacting request I plac=
ed upon them - pictures forthcoming). Had I taken the time to give th=
e whole "it's raining PY-10's" matter a bit more attention at the=
time, I believe that I would have been better served to have stated that t=
he finish filing work on the lugs in evidence on the bike offered in eBay a=
uction 160551544380 is not typical of (...i.e. substandard in comparison to=
) that found on genuine PY-10 examples from that same era ... AND ... that =
said bike's bottom bracket shell (...yes, it is a type of lug, but a very s=
pecific one) is inconsistent with what was used on PY-10 bicycles of simila=
r vintage.
I apologize for any confusion that may have resulted fro=
m my hasty review....
Robert "Roman eyes and Russian fingers&q=
uot; Broderick
...the "Chronical=
ly Cloudy Clime" of Oregon
Portl=
and, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: classicrendezvous-bounces+rsb000=3Dhotmail.com@bikelist.or=
g [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces+rsb000=3Dhotmail.com@b=
ikelist.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Kaminer
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:42 PM
To: classicrende=
zvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [=
CR] {CR} Raining PY-10s
Robert, you mentioned the lugs being wrong =
on the third auction example. The fork crown is obviously incorrect, but ar=
en't the lugs on the PY quite variable? I own a '79 PY10 with long point lu=
gs (pretty sure they're Bocamas) that don't look anything like the more com=
mon short-points.
Kurt Kaminer
Miami, Florida USA