Re: [CR][NBDA Dealers] eBay & fraud..BAD CC #!


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From: "renaissance-cycles" <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
To: <nbdadealers@yahoogroups.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR][NBDA Dealers] eBay & fraud..BAD CC #!
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:03:33 -0700
cc: nbdadealers@yahoogroups.com

This ebay fraud thing is the reason why we're dropping our Renaissance cycles handle, we've been hit! as soon as we know that all of our customers packages has been delivered. It's 100% gone. A few and for sure 1 person has been trying to sell goods under the Renaissance handle. Lucky for us one of these so called customers knew who we really are and contacted us letting us know of an offer that was made to him saying that the seller was from Renaissance cycles. Little did this ''SCAMER!'' know that there is only 2 of us overhere, Cecile and myself taking on the full load.............One thing I hate more than a crook.........IS A STUPID CROOK!

BTW: We've had many so called Bicycle shop dealers in Asia and so on asking for recent HIGH END! stuff such as Campagnolo and Shimano wheelsets. They will say we want 20 sets, what's your price and I can send you a card number.............BIG$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$s! 6K to 20K! A purchase like this, for sure not a regular CC # involved.

My reply!..............Sure we can but first I need a copy of your business papers and the names of 3 brands of ''NAME BRAND!'' gear that you sell within your country they must be names such as Specialized, Giant, Campagnolo Shimano and so on! Mostly bike brands if possible. From there I tell them that I will go though the net to their sites to learn of the dealers within your country, from there I will contact the supplier directly to confirm the exsistance of your operation. I also state that there is a 3 to 4 week clearing period of CC # transaction, we will run ( check! ) the card 3 times. Once when the card # is received for the value of the items. 2nd, after packing with shipping cost included. 3rd would be at the time of shipping, final control........Lots of time for a bad card to show it's true colors. Once they learn of our method of the clearing a CC #...............We never receive a reply.

Reason for the amount of timing for clearing of the card, cards could be someone who is traveling and paying everywhere with the card. During their travels the numbers gets swiped during perhaps a Hotel stay. From there the number gets forwarded to a central operator from there it ends up with several so called card users, from there they will take the card to the bank! During this period the user when not thinking when trying to use it, it will be maxed out thinking oh #*#&^^ I didn't think I used it that much but then again maybe? From there another card comes out. And on and on he goes.........Only to learn of the happenings once the CC # statement is received.

Before we started notifying these so called customers of our rules!.................We cought 3 or 4 bad cards. One asked where is my stuff? I told them what stuff, this card is bad card!...So it's still my stuff! No! No! I pay you, NO!...NO!.........You not pay me, you go have a nice day, buy! buy! CC # companies will not tell you if the card was stolen or not they'll just say the card is bad and do not accept it for payment. They would ask if goods has been dispatched, I'd say no and tell of our method of dealing with these types of transactions....Then one did go farther to say that it was a stolen card #...............They thought they were slick!...........Not a chance!

ON A DAILY BASIS WE ARE RECEIVING SO CALLED emails from ebay or Paypal wanting our ID! We know better.

BC Baron C....And the gang!!...Of bad card busters!.........Handling eveything from A to Z!....Very, very tiring! Renaissance cycles, Eindhoven Holland.


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From: "Dave Abraham"
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Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:04 AM
Subject: [CR][NBDA Dealers] eBay & fraud...link to text of Wall ST Journal


article on August 3


>
> hi Doug & etc.,
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> http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB109148425481880978-IdjgYNplaB3opuuZ3qGcKiEm4,00.html
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> Dave Abraham
> New Wheel ~ Hokie Spokes
> Beautiful SW VA
> voice: (540) 552-7765 (or) 731-1211
> FAX: 552-7768 (or) 731-0666
> "Treating every bike like our own.."
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>
> Ricardo:
> There was a Wall St. Journal front page story on 8/3/2004 on eBay's chief
> fraud buster. It mentioned eBay has 1,000 people devoted to
> fighting fraud. I didn't know they had even that many people working in
> the entire company.
>
> If true and those 1,000 folks are fully engaged in fraud busting, they
> have a serious problem on their hands. Caveat emptor.=20
>
> Doug Morrell
> St Louis MO
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