> Mark Stonich and then Joe Starck wrote:
>
> Grants lugs look like they were designed by a
> > committee, or came from
> > 3 different sets. Hardly hideous, but with
> awkward
> > transitions and
> > no coherent theme. Don't let me get started on
> that
> > fork
> > crown. Acceptable on a lesser bike, but not
> worthy
> > of the
> > craftsmanship lavished on the bikes by Curt and
> > painter Joe Bell.
>
>
http://rivendellbicycles.com/
> Mark,
> Look at the photo of the head lugs and fork crown.
> Your words above cannot possibly follow. Ol'
> Grantersen has a beautiful bike there, with the
> cream
>
> ********
>
> All depends on who's lookin'. To me, Mark's words
> are
> exactly right. Even charitable. To Joe, they're
> not.
> This kind of thing distills down to "I think this is
> second-rate amateur work" or "I think this is
> beautiful,
> original, thinking about lugs."
Hoo boy. Charles Andrews skews the argument into a false dichotomy one sentence before he preaches logic to me below.
I'm with the first
> statement and with Mark Stonich, and for what I
> think are
> perfectly legitimate reasons. Joe disagrees. For
> Joe to
> accuse Mark, or anyone else, of being pea-brained
> for not
> liking Grant's lug design (and for saying so in a
> clear way,
> with reasons) is just worthless ad-hominem attack.
I commited no such attack, Charles. My phrasing
scolded Stonich for his over-the-top praise of
Goodrich & Bell at the expense of the credible efforts
that allow a Riv to come into being -- like designing
the lugs & crown under constaints -- before the
builder or painter do their thing. I merely asked
Stonich to temper his critique upon a look-see of a
bigger picture. Back to the distillery for you,
Charles.
> I have a custom Riv, and I'll probably keep it, but
> I'll
> always wish I'd had the Sachs lugs put on it. So it
> goes.
> The fancy-lugged Carpenter will make me feel better.
> It's
> what a fancy-lugged frame should look like--as is
> something
> like a fancy Hurlow. Grant would have done well to
> spend a
> couple of months contemplating a vintage Hurlow--or
> an
> Ephgrave--with the most florid lugs before he even
> put
> pencil to paper.
Maybe Grant sought a look less "florid" and more -- knucklier -- hoo aah! Joe Starck Madison, WI USA
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