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Today's Topics:
1. Putting the Record seatpost on a diet (Bianca Pratorius) 2. Re: Putting the Record seatpost on a diet (kevin sayles) 3. Braxton frame contact 4. T-town (Larry Osborn) 5. Re: Paint Stripping over Chrome (Julius Naim) 6. Re: Craigslist -Toronto, damaged Mariposa (Adam Hammond) 7. Richard Sachs Lugged Steel Frameset - New JB Paint! on ebay oct 08 (Charles F Nighbor) 8. None 9. re: DESPERATELY SEEKING Campy brake lever clamps (Harvey Sachs) 10. c.1976 SOMEC & c.1975 PX-10 on Portland Craigslist (Mine) (Larry Myers) 11. Campy BB...Advice (And Parts) Wanted! (devotion finesse) 12. Re: Campy BB...Advice (And Parts) Wanted! (John Thompson) 13. RE: Campy BB...Advice (And Parts) Wanted! (devotion finesse) 14. 1960s (?) His & Hers Uragos for Sale (randy dugan)
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:13:10 -0400 From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Putting the Record seatpost on a diet Message-ID: <5a6a82065338df41adc707c17490c5a7@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
Of all the Campy seatposts, the Super Record is the least attractive to me. A few years ago the list helped me out with a slipping problem I was having with the one on my Raleigh. A little roughing up and a good torquing and the problem was solved, but it's still a pill to try to make small adjustments of angle or try out a new saddle. Two of my bikes have C-Record aero seatposts now because they're cheap, beautiful, sturdy and easy to find on Ebay and fine tune. On my latest bike I have the old Record which is the easiest to adjust angle, rock solid and the most classic looking to my eyes. The only downside is that the Record is the heaviest with it's twin bolts and extra thick walled construction. It's fully three ounces heavier than Super Record. Is it safe to put a flap sander up that tube in an effort to reduce the excess aluminum? Wasn't there some lighter version of the older seatpost made with different bolts too?
Garth Libre in Miami Florida USA
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:34:28 +0100 From: "kevin sayles" <kevinsayles@tiscali.co.uk> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Putting the Record seatpost on a diet Message-ID: <F69B257814124F9C9903E9C2680397C1@kevinPC> In-Reply-To: <5a6a82065338df41adc707c17490c5a7@comcast.net> References: <5a6a82065338df41adc707c17490c5a7@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Hi Garth, There was a 'Superlegiri' version which had alloy lower supports, not sure if the walls were thinner? I have read that it also had the centre pivot
drilled through as on the first generation Super Record, but the 2 that I have are undrilled! ......wheras I can confirm the Super Record does have the pivot drilled.
You could try and find a set of FT alloy bolts with bushes........sorry to tease, but I have 2 sets which I bought in the 70s and are in use. [but they come up ebay at times] As for reducing the wall thickness, maybe on a lathe its possible to turn out a small ammount, or have you considered having one fluted? I always thought 'certain' after market fluted ones looked better than the flutes on the Super Record, which I thought were to short. Cheers....... Kevin Sayles Bridgwater, Somerset. UK
> Of all the Campy seatposts, the Super Record is the least attractive
to
> me. A few years ago the list helped me out with a slipping problem I
was
> having with the one on my Raleigh. A little roughing up and a good
> torquing and the problem was solved, but it's still a pill to try to
make
> small adjustments of angle or try out a new saddle. Two of my bikes
have
> C-Record aero seatposts now because they're cheap, beautiful, sturdy
and
> easy to find on Ebay and fine tune. On my latest bike I have the old
> Record which is the easiest to adjust angle, rock solid and the most
> classic looking to my eyes. The only downside is that the Record is
the
> heaviest with it's twin bolts and extra thick walled construction.
It's
> fully three ounces heavier than Super Record. Is it safe to put a
flap
> sander up that tube in an effort to reduce the excess aluminum? Wasn't
> there some lighter version of the older seatpost made with different
bolts
> too?
>
> Garth Libre in Miami Florida USA
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:49:12 -0400 From: toddcirelli@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Braxton frame contact Message-ID: <8CAFB8C48445555-4A0-2170@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
Could the seller of the Braxton please contact me off list-? Or if anyone has the CR post to forward to me.? I'm interested in a few details.
Todd Cirelli Mechanicsburg, PA
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:49:52 -0500 From: Larry Osborn <losborn2@wvu.edu> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]T-town Message-ID: <200810132049.m9DKnuwY000455@mxs1.wvu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Greetings campers and swap survivors
Whew, that was just too close. Finally confronting the consequences of some "new" physical realities, and was working on a list of things to sell next (Three frames delivered to new homes this year, and passed up a few that were for sale. You know that just ain't right.) when I was referred to a new voodoo quack. Immediately postponed all decisions on potentially expendable junque, at least until the Westminster swap or spring T-town, while he takes his best shot at getting me back on a bike. He was described somewhat apologetically by the physical therapy gang as "eccentric, and weird, but he gets good results". My response was, "Excellent, but is he eccentric and weird enough for ME? And why didn't you tell me about this kook a year ago?!" My frame of reference for eccentric and weird is pretty extreme, so we'll wait and see. Diagnosis, after much poking, prodding, and pulling of every joint and muscle - "Kid, you're a mess. You physically get off the bike, but your body doesn't know." An interesting hypothesis, not yet sure if that's good news of bad news, but makes more sense than anything I've heard from the most recent parade of ineffective "mainstream health care professionals". Great. Wonderful. Just what I need. More internal conflicts. Apparently more an indication of a brain that never gets off the bike than of muscles & joints that are too confused to know when they can stop and rest. I can't even pretend to be surprised. And if he turns out to be right, which of us is the weirder one? A philosophical discussion best left for another day.
But on the upside, with a new prescription for a few milligrams of uncharacteristic optimism, and a potentially hazardous overdose of self delusion, I cheerfully transferred the deed and keys for my swap spot to new residents Wayne & MJ Bingham/Weier, (while retaining squatter's rights for my confused butt and any new loot), who transformed it into Mel Pinto's warehouse annex - north. A few additional contributions to the product line made by Mike Schmidt and Tom Hayes. Some very interesting stuff in Wayne's pile. I'm this close to stripping the threads on a bottom bracket shell just to have a use for an Edco offset locking threadless sealed cartridge bottom bracket. Or just install it on a Raleigh frame, which is probably the next closest thing to having stripped threads. Great entertainment. But when Wayne caught me playing with the merchandise, and quoting a ridiculous high price to potential buyers for a set of his wheels that I was sort of interested in and had hidden under the table, I was immediately fired as second assistant salesperson, and therefore free to return to my regularly scheduled bottom feeding. Ahhhh, THAT felt "normal". Soooo much more fun than selling stuff, and I was haunted by those three empty bike hooks that need to be re-filled......
.....but not quite normal. And still haunted by those empty hooks. Didn't buy Billy's Carlton (I still don't know why), or Tom's Cirrus touring frame (which had mercifully been sold by the time I started to waver), or any other bike or frame that might turn into an expensive disappointment and new disposal challenge I can't ride if this quack isn't weird enough. Disappointing to discover that my self delusion skills are rustier than my bikes, just when I need them the most. Something else to work on. An annoyingly restrained state of mind, which also affected my interactions with other people. Normally I amuse myself by encouraging other people to buy stuff they don't need, just to be obnoxious, and annoy their spouses, but this time I tended to talk people out of buying things. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of being there. Didn't make any new friends among the vendors either, discrete and diplomatic as I am in such situations, but it was an interesting role reversal experience. Hope it doesn't happen again. Hate being the voice of reason. The voice of reason doesn't get up at 1AM to drive to a swap. The voice of reason gets old and bored and cranky. What?! Don't look at me like that. I'm not bored yet.
Acquired just a few odds and ends. Unknown brand triplizer chainring to add to the "just in case" inventory, a couple pairs of wheels (but now of course there's a sudden need for QR skewers for Weyless hubs, if anybody has some they can part with), a Phil bottom bracket that might accidentally fit one of my assorted triple cranks, a few other little oddities. Really just needed a day with the kooks, and THEIR new junque. Every attempted expedition back to the car for a hat or snack resulted in a detour with somebody back into the chaos. Never did get to the hat, and still being reminded of that carelessness. Yeah, prices seemed higher than ever, but Ebay just doesn't provide the same experience. On ebay, no one can hear you scream. On ebay, the seller can't hear you laugh out loud, or see that expression on your face. You know, the slightly astonished and stunned look that asks as politely as possible, "Are you TOTALLY de-ranged?!" without moving your lips (which would probably say something much less polite), and other forms of non-violent interpersonal capitalistic & cross-cultural contact.
Many of the usual suspects, some there that I never actually saw, but a few faces missing. Hope they were out riding somewhere. Perfect weekend would have been to drive on to the Romeu ride on Sunday. Looked like a lot of fun. Maybe next year.
Thanks to the miracle of atomic mutation.... Larry "The Brain that Wouldn't Stop Pedalling" Osborn Bruceton Mills, West Virginia USA
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:23:39 +0100 From: Julius Naim <julius.naim@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Paint Stripping over Chrome Message-ID: <A470435E-4311-458D-A7F3-BF409A14869B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODrRZ1UbDBR000007f6@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODrRZ1UbDBR000007f6@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Hello
I've used standard all purpose paint stripper, Nitromors in the UK, with a very gentle rub down with extra fine wire wool with no ill effect. Unless anyone else can recommend a better alternative that is...
Good luck, hope it comes out well. What's the frame by the way?
Julius Naim London, UK
On 13 Oct 2008, at 19:18, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org wrote:
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:10:04 -0700
> From: "Rob Williams" <rwynw@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Paint Stripping over Chrome
> Message-ID: <000901c92d45$c5f6f7e0$c700a8c0@treeinspector>
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>
> Looking at stripping the paint on a period frame which appears to
> be all
> chrome under the base coat. Does anyone have a recommended technique/
> product for removing paint and decals.
> Thanks
> Rob Williams
> Drizzling in Happy Seattle
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:57:14 -0400 From: Adam Hammond <anhammond@gmail.com> To: neil <njgoedhuis@hotmail.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Craigslist -Toronto, damaged Mariposa Message-ID: <16535163-9703-4304-8F24-CD9B892E2E48@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <BAY108-W3432E9C28DB7D2530BC373C5360@phx.gbl> References: <MONKEYFOOD67yRLVbND0000079c@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> <BAY108-W3432E9C28DB7D2530BC373C5360@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
I went and had a look at this frame just now. It's beautiful -- serial number begins 85, so I presume it's a 1985. The 126 rear spacing corroborates this. The seat tube is a 60cm c-t, and the top tube around 56.5-57. The bike is fully chromed under the paint; it has chromed headlugs, chromed dropouts, and the logo itself is masked-off chrome. It is a nice red with gold lug lining. It has a very cool headbadge, which can be seen in the photo.
It does, however, have an all-the-way-around crack in the seat tube, right at the brazed-on front derailleur tab. And the seller, while friendly, loquacious, and seemingly honest, is more than a touch peculiar, and not especially eager to actually sell the frame. After he regaled with with tales of the various broken bikes he possesses (a whole ramshackle garage's worth!), I offered to buy the frame at the asking price, and he declined, asking for more. It's partly my eagerness to put my newly acquired framebuilding skills to use in repairing the frame that led me to offer that much in the first place for a bike that doesn't fit me all that well.
He is not willing to ship the bike. But if someone is eager to have it, and can afford the likely $500-750 repair/paint costs on the frame (it would make sense to have this done by Noah Rosen in the former Mariposa shop), I can perhaps broker the deal...
Adam Hammond Toronto, ON, Canada
On 13-Oct-08, at 9:05 AM, neil wrote:
>
> Someone on Toronto craigslist is selling a campagnolo headset. They
> also s
> eem to be parting out a "mid 90's bike". The photos show a Mariposa
> with c
> hromed lugs. Seller says 'the frame was damaged but the front end
> is perfe
> ct'. Thought someone might be interested in a project.
> http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/
>
> Neil Goedhuis
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:18:02 -0700 From: "Charles F Nighbor" <cnighbor1@comcast.net> To: "Classicrendezvous@Bikelist.Org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Richard Sachs Lugged Steel Frameset - New JB Paint! on ebay oct 08 Message-ID: <5D40D5E1629E48D8A3880716D90C2581@gatewaygpcezcz> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
Not seller
Charles Nighbor
Walnut Creek, CA US of A
http://ebay.com/
itemZ280275128035QQcmdZViewItemQQssPageNameZRSS:B:SRCH:US:101
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:20:00 -0700 From: <italianfrk@aol.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]None Message-ID: <bea.2b6d9624.362523ce@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 8
I am in long beach. I can pick up tomorrow. E mail italianfrk@aol.com or 3102612299 james
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:35:25 -0400 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca Subject: re: [CR]DESPERATELY SEEKING Campy brake lever clamps Message-ID: <48F3CD2D.7040903@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu Message: 9
Emanuel - If it doesn't violate principles about mixing Italian and French, I believe that I found several years ago that Mafac brake lever clamps could be substituted for Campy ones. Probably in the archives, and might be worth checking as a short-term workaround, if nothing else. If,
of course, you have spare Mafacs available...
harvey sachs mcLean va ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Emanuel Lowi wrote:
For a frame to be built up this week, I'm in need of a pair of bar clamps (complete) for Campy NR/SR brake levers. (I bought a pair of levers that came with wrong clamps that just won't work).
Condition unimportant. Will pay.
Thanks,
Montreal, Quebec
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Myers <curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]c.1976 SOMEC & c.1975 PX-10 on Portland Craigslist (Mine) Message-ID: <286763.74915.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com Message: 10
Hi, All-
I have 2 bikes on the Portland-area CraigsList- a 58cm (c-t-t) Peugeot PX-1 0, and a 58cm (c-t-t) SOMEC. Pix and details are at these links:
http://portland.craigslist.org/
Let me know that you are a list member, and get a discount on shipping.....
Cheers, Larry Myers Portland, OR, USA
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:51:05 -0400 From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com> To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Campy BB...Advice (And Parts) Wanted! Message-ID: <BLU113-W576AB8BF5D323B46DB3960F5360@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11
One of the final remaining bits needed to get my recently acquired '71
Coln
ago Super on the road is an appropriate Nuovo Record bottom bracket.
To the best of my knowledge, I ought to be on the lookout for a
70-SS-120
spindle. Can anyone tell me if it is critical that I find one from
roughl
y the same era that the bike was produced? Were there changes made to
the s
pindle length in later years of production? Will I run into problems
if,
say, I put an 80's NR spindle in? Because this bike will most
certainly
be a "rider", for this incarnation it doesn't need to be a perfect
"peri
od piece", as I am just trying to get the bike running. It currently
has
some later braze-ons and newer paint. But not to worry...I will
eventuall
y have her restored to circa '71 glory...time (well, money) permitting.
Lastly, once the "proper" spindle is identified, I will be on the looko
ut for either an entire BB or perhaps just the spindle. Please let me
know
if you have something decent (but not NOS) available.
Thanks,
Matthew Bowne
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:03:31 -0500 From: John Thompson <john@os2.dhs.org> To: CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy BB...Advice (And Parts) Wanted! Message-ID: <48F3D3C3.6080702@os2.dhs.org> In-Reply-To: <BLU113-W576AB8BF5D323B46DB3960F5360@phx.gbl> References: <BLU113-W576AB8BF5D323B46DB3960F5360@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org Message: 12
devotion finesse wrote:
> One of the final remaining bits needed to get my recently acquired '71
Coln
> ago Super on the road is an appropriate Nuovo Record bottom bracket.
> To the best of my knowledge, I ought to be on the lookout for a
70-SS-120
> spindle. Can anyone tell me if it is critical that I find one from
roughl
> y the same era that the bike was produced? Were there changes made to
the s
> pindle length in later years of production? Will I run into problems
if,
> say, I put an 80's NR spindle in?
Yes. As a result of CPSC rule changes around 1977, Campy redesigned their front derailleurs and drive side crank arms, and the spindle length had to change to accommodate this. IIRC, the Campy Only web site has a time line that might provide more detail.
-- John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org) Appleton WI USA ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:13:05 -0400 From: devotion finesse <devotion_finesse@hotmail.com> To: <john@os2.dhs.org>, CR discussion list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Campy BB...Advice (And Parts) Wanted! Message-ID: <BLU113-W37D86D3F4581C94123EF87F5360@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <48F3D3C3.6080702@os2.dhs.org> References: <BLU113-W576AB8BF5D323B46DB3960F5360@phx.gbl> <48F3D3C3.6080702@os2.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13
Dang. I knew there was some sort of pre/post CPSC issue that I would
likely
encounter...Just wasn't sure what.
Does this mean that I will run into compatibility issues if I try to use
a
combination of pre and post CPSC bits? If, for instance, I were to use
a pre-CPSC bottom bracket and front derailleur, will the crank arms
also
need to be pre-CPSC?
Thanks for your help,
Matthew Bowne
Brooklyn, New York
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> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:03:31 -0500
> From: john@os2.dhs.org
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy BB...Advice (And Parts) Wanted!
>
> devotion finesse wrote:
>
>> One of the final remaining bits needed to get my recently acquired
'71 C
oln
>> ago Super on the road is an appropriate Nuovo Record bottom bracket.
>> To the best of my knowledge, I ought to be on the lookout for a
70-SS-
120
>> spindle. Can anyone tell me if it is critical that I find one from
rou
ghl
>> y the same era that the bike was produced? Were there changes made to
th
e s
>> pindle length in later years of production? Will I run into problems
if
,
>> say, I put an 80's NR spindle in?
>
> Yes. As a result of CPSC rule changes around 1977, Campy redesigned
> their front derailleurs and drive side crank arms, and the spindle
> length had to change to accommodate this. IIRC, the Campy Only web
site
> has a time line that might provide more detail.
>
> --
> John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: randy dugan <rsdugan@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]1960s (?) His & Hers Uragos for Sale Message-ID: <434909.38374.qm@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14
saw these on craigslist los angeles and asked for photos:
too small for me, but interesting enough that i thought some of you might want to see them.
please do not contact me about these bikes; you now know everything i know. all inquiries should be directed to al@rpiparts.com
he's asking $1,295 for the pair.
randy dugan van nuys, ca usa ------------------------------
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