Re: [CR] The Monthly "ID This Italian Mystery Machine" Challenge.

(Example: Framebuilders:Doug Fattic)

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:17:08 -0700
From: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <COL113-W83E49D1991B3F2474E748F56F0@phx.gbl>
Subject: Re: [CR] The Monthly "ID This Italian Mystery Machine" Challenge.


ahoy ! yours looks similar to my villa, including the fork & crown. maybe "your" builder" and villa used off the shelf lugs & fitments ? richard cielec chicago, illinois; u.s.a.


--- On Wed, 4/29/09, devotion finesse wrote:
From: devotion finesse
Subject: [CR] The Monthly "ID This Italian Mystery Machine" Challenge.
To: CR discussion list
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:50:00 -0000


Gang,A few weeks back, I posted a query regarding the approximate age of what (based on decals) I believed to be a Viner. The more carefully I examined the bike, the less consistent the build details seemed to be with other Viners I have seen...I am starting to thgink that the only thing "Viner" about is is the decals...and perhaps the shade of blue chosen for the bike at the time of re-paint*. First off, the frame does not feature the usual star cutouts anywhere. Also, the fork seems to be a replacement for a number of reasons: The rear brake mount is standard nutted mount while the fork is recessed. The steerer tube is VERY short (and fitted with a Hatta Vesta headset). There is no Viner logo/cutouts on the crown. No star on the BB. *The fork and frame have matching paint, leading me to believe that the frame might have been re-painted at the time of fork replacement as well. Other build details worth mentioning: - 120mm rear spacing- braze-ons for shifter bosses and bottle cage and rear brake cable housing- Campagnolo short 1010 dropouts with Porta Cana holes- 26.8 seatpost (a Reynolds 531 sticker. Does this seem right? I have never seen a Viner that wasn't Columbus and am unsure about what said seatpost size could indicate.) - over BB cable routingPlease have a look at the new detail pictures I have posted on my Wool Jersey page and lemme know what y'all think this frame could be. http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Devotion/Mystery_Machine/<http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Devotion/Mystery_Machine/>The jury is out! I'm waiting for the verdict!Matthew BowneBrooklyn, New York