Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V tubes


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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:12:58 -0700
From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net
To: Jon@FAI.US
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Subject: Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V tubes


I'm not sure why...believe me, I am not a Masi expert.

When I saw your pics, my brain immediately said:

"That's a 1998-2002 model sold by Torelli Imports that had a multi-color purple

dominant paint job in reference to the Russian team at the time - with the optional Alu / Carbon fork."

(I was considering one before I built my Tommasini...)

That's what my brain said - don't ask me why.

You can support it or negate it quickly by simply measuring the rear dropout spacing - is it 126mm or 130mm? If it's 130mm without any manipulation - then calling Torelli Imports wouldn't be a bad idea.

If it's 126mm...dunk..flush...dead end.

Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA

Quoting "Jon M. Crate" <Jon@FAI.US>:
> I've posted it before. It came naked with no history and no fork.
> I was able to scarf up a correct fork for it and plan to paint it
> soon.
> The serial has been of little use.
> The engravings tell more as do the head tube shifter brazings.
> Here it is again Robert:
> http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=classicrendezvous.11
> 003.0203.eml
> Be sure to check the CR archives!
>
> B>)
>
> Jon M. Crate
> Marietta, Georgia USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net [mailto:mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:38 PM
> To: Jon Crate
> Cc: loudeeter@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Frame stiffness NOW 3V tubes
>
> I'm a little confused here...
>
> You are trying to date a Masi 3V by trying to indentify tubes which
> probably
> aren't labelled? Is there no serial number in the usual suspect
> locations? Do
>
> you have pictures - especially of the fork as I'm pretty sure an
> optional fork
> was available with some 90's issue bikes?
>
> Bob Hovey's site has a great registry...serial numbers especially
> once into the
>
> 80s really help...
>
> I've seen a few Masi 3Vs - mostly white and red - and I've yet to
> see a
> Reynolds 753 sticker or any tubing identifier - I'm sure some had
> 'em as shown
> in one article at Bob Hovey's site, but I have yet to see tubing
> stickers in
> person myself.
>
> And the owner of the bikes I've seen didn't particulary care...they
> bought a
> Masi 3V period.
>
> My impression in regards to Masi has always been you're not buying
> a Masi for
> the tubing - you are buying a Masi - particulary the 3V - for
> cutting edge
> steel craftmanship by someone who history shows knows what the hell
> they are
> doing...
>
> If you don't have a serial number - show us some pics.
>
> =8-)
>
> Robert Shackelford
> San Jose, CA USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "Jon M. Crate" <Jon@FAI.US>:
>
> > 3V tubes
> > Is this the full gamut as far as 'we' can tell?
> > Does anyone know how they could be differentiated?
> > I ask because I am still trying to date my frame.
> > thanks
> > Jon Crate
> > Marietta GA USA
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: loudeeter@aol.com [mailto:loudeeter@aol.com]
> >
> >
> > That is fine.
> >
> > From: Jon M. Crate <Jon.Crate@FAI.US>
> >
> >
> > Thanks Lou - if you don't mind, I would like to post your answer.
> > Is that ok?
> >
> > From: loudeeter@aol.com [mailto:loudeeter@aol.com
> > <mailto:loudeeter@aol.com?> ]
> >
> > This is from the Used Bike Guide: Missing the 84-85 3V, but
> > someone on the list said that Excel was still providing tubing at
> > that time. I thought the super thin Excel tubing was only for
> > small frames, but the other guy seems to imply his frame is
> large.
> > >From what I can gather, Masi used a lot of different tubing
> sources
> > for their frames, including the 3V. Lou, off-list
> >
> > Models:
> > 3 Volumetrica 82-83 Excel oversized
> > 3 Volumetrica 87-91 Oversize Columbus
> > 3 Volumetrica Team 92-94 Oversize Masi
> > 3 Volumetrica 95 Reynolds 753
> > 3 Volumetrica 96 Columbus Custom
> > 3 V Wing 97 Aluminum